Okay … So …


… I went out on a limb yesterday and did something I normally don’t do.  I expressed an opinion I wasn’t prepared to defend.

And I got schooled for it.

I have a lot of respect for the person who did the schooling, and while the attack hurt a little, the way it was done, the reason it was done, the method chosen, were all right.  He’s been a good supporter when I’ve had things go wrong in the past.  He’s there with a supportive word, encouraging.  Yesterday, though, I ticked him off by speaking on something that I couldn’t defend.

My political position.

I was pretty upset by the hard-left turn our country took with President-Elect Obama (my friend also pointed out that I wouldn’t write his name … which I wasn’t even aware I was doing), and while I don’t think being blasted about it is going to change my position (being demeaned and put down doesn’t change anyone’s opinion as far as I can tell, and with ideologies and politics even LESS so), reading his comment gave me a clear and laser-guided view at what’s wrong with the things I said.

Now, this all happened on deviantART, where the original journal post I made was a letter stating that I missed America and would wait for her return even though I knew it wasn’t going to happen.  I invite you to see what his response was — not just to my journal entry, but to my responses to other commenters, too, right here.

He’s right, of course.  I made some ignorant statements I couldn’t support.  He made me realize that I said things like Obama won because of his skin color, without clarifying that i meant if a white person had run on those same statements/policies/platform/whatever, they wouldn’t have won.  But that statement isn’t a fair one, and he cited people like Alan Keyes, Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson and others as examples of how being black didn’t get them elected.  So I’m confronted with the ignorance of my statement and made to understand that, if I’m going to say things that are inflammatory, I’d better be able to justify, defend or explain those statements.

So, I’m making my post here from yesterday private.  No one further will see it.  And those that did are already pissed about it if it was against their grain.  And going forward, if I want to say something about politics, I’m going to be sure to do my homework first, and make sure I don’t throw things out that aren’t informed.  I learned this lesson long ago, and in a moment of weakness let myself slide into emotional gibberish.  Go out on a limb, and someone is bound to saw you off with the blade of fact.

-JDT-

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10 thoughts on “Okay … So …

  1. I read it. I wasn’t angry though I didn’t agree. Anymore it seems that we invest too personally in politics forgetting that our system is meant to govern all of us and therefore can’t be an exact fit. We are too diverse and our needs and ideals can’t always match up.

    I have only elected a president once before. The majority of my life has been spent under Republican rule and I think they have strayed far from old Abe Lincoln’s days.

    We already live with many socialized programs and having struggled with health care when my first husband was sick, I think as a nation we could do a much better job than we are doing. However, the next administration is going to be quite limited financially and Obama had signaled in his speeches of late that he is well aware that much of what he would like to do isn’t going to happen any time soon.

    I was pleased to see both Obama and McCain reach out during their speeches the other night. I think they were sincere. I hope that all of the rest of us can follow their example.

    Don’t feel bad about your rant. It’s good to sometimes throw things out there and get perspective.

    Thanks. I did feel bad about it after someone I respected so much made me see how little thought I’d put into it. But I needed that reminder, and I needed the person to give me the reminder to be someone I DID respect. Otherwise I would’ve ignored it.

    If you’re interested, follow the link I provided to see what he had to say. It’s interesting and well-put. Thanks again.

  2. I just skimmed over the thread on deviantart. If Obama really is a Marxist, then we rightly have reason to fear. Just look at what happened to other countries that have gone that route. (The murder of millions of innocents in Russia…)

    So is it fair to call Obama a marxist? Let’s look at the Communist Manifesto (by Marx) which should be a pretty good stick to measure him by. If you’ve never read it, you probably should (at least once) if for no other reason than to know what to look for.
    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
    The 10 “planks” of the communist platform (this is from near the end of section two) are (and I’ve put my comments in parentheses):

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    (I don’t know on this one.)

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    (Yeah, Obama’s tax plan includes such a beast, and he’s not bashful about it. for an interesting aside, check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTwxqgVvEyU)

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
    (Obama has stated that he supports a heavy estate {death} tax. That is definitely a step in the “all rights” direction.)

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    (Nothing I can think of.)

    5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    (Has voted for the bailout, which is definitely a step in that direction.)

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
    (I think control over communication meets the same purpose. The “fairness” doctrine would definitely meet that goal.)

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    (Sounds a lot like government enforced environmentalism to me. I could be wrong, though.)

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    (I don’t know on this one, either.)

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
    (I don’t know the purpose of this one, so I don’t know if it fits Obama or not.)

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
    (This juicy nugget is already the status quo in the U.S… Obama has stated that he would support a national school accreditation program, which of course would give the government more control over schooling.)

    So of the ten, it appears to me that Obama at least subscribes to six. That sounds like a pretty good start toward Marxism to me, but does that make him a Marxist?

    I think a good case can be made either way…

    Oh, and from LeonieSainteVire’s description, it sounds like “social justice” is just Marxism in a prettier box…

    And I believe the gov’t should not be involved in the redistribution of wealth at all. Read “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat to find out why. http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

    Does that mean I’d let poor people starve? Of course not. I’d just rather give a poor person a buck than give the government a buck and have 30-60 cents of it wasted before it even gets to that same poor person…

    Would that have made McCain the right choice? No. Darrel pointed out some good reasons why.

    However, I believe he (Darrell) was wrong on several counts.

    He states that Obama’s inexperience is a good thing. Well, it would be if Obama’s positions supported methods and actions that have proven to work.

    I’m done ranting, not because I don’t have more to say, but because my fingers hurt from pounding the keyboard.

    Obama say he’ll get us out of Iraq… but move our troops into Afganistan. (Because wasting lives and money in Afganistan is sooo much better the Iraq.)

    Obama still voted for the bailout.

    Also, people relatively young and inexperienced in foreign policy have made things worse. I’m thinking specifically how JFK almost brought the cold war to a nuclear boom. Obama has said he’d follow JFK’s examples in foreign policy… Yay!

    Anyway, I didn’t think either candidate had enough good points for me to vote for him, so I voted for someone else…

  3. Where’d my comment go? Am I in moderation?

    No, worse; because it had two or more links in it, it was designated spam. All fixed now, though. NICE work, Bryce. Good research. And great points. You voted your conscience.

  4. ::hugs:::Rant away. I tried to help you reason it out a bit, but since I share your anger, I prolly did not do a great job! ::laughs::

    As I said yesterday…be angry…but anger in itself accomplishes nothing…at least long term. Each of us have a voice, and when we combine our voices, we have power.

    ::twinkles::Yes…I am a natural rabble-rouser.

    *hugs* Yes, you rabble-rouser you. But we love you anyway. And I didn’t know you were trying to help me reason, but I thought the things you said to “Furious-P” (and where does someone from a foreign country get off telling us about our own candidates and election??) were great. I’m too dim to be helped, though. I really need to read more.

    Be sure and check out Bryce’s comment, just above yours. It’s awesome. He maintains that Obama might just BE a Marxist, after all. 🙂

  5. He has a point, but although I agree and said that Obama prolly has Marxist sympathies, he is more aligned with the Euro-socialists, i.e., John Rawlians.

    It is a fine line to some, but there is a line. Not that it makes for a better choice.

    I firmly believe that many voted for a change…any kind…out of frustration. They are fearful for their jobs…the economy…and the Republicans…rightly or wrongly…were held accountable for this economic meltdown. They did not stop to analyze that it was likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi that have been at the head of all this downturn. To make things worse, we did not offer a better alternative. We did not choose a candidate who could articulate a better vision.

    If this economic crisis had not developed when it did, I believe we would be looking at a different picture. As it is, it was the impetus Obama needed.
    It pushed McCain over the edge of the cliff.

    ::laughs::I am sorry, but if you do not live in our country, you have no right to lecture us! Whatever our ills, America stands head and shoulders above the world. People from other other countries have no clue what it means to live here. They have no basis of comparison. Unfortunately, most people in our country take it for granted.

    Very true. I’ll take the tongue-lashing from Darrell, not just because he has a point, but because he’s an American, he thought about the choice he made when he voted, he served in our military and he’s got sound, valid reasons for wanting change in our country. From people outside who “kept up with things”? STFU, I say. Mind your OWN business. When your country’s as great as this one, tell us how we ought to do it. Until then, butt out.

    You’re right — the democratic party pulled out a slick, well-spoken, well-groomed candidate who was DIFFERENT than the current administration. He spoke AGAINST the current administration. He said he wouldn’t be anything LIKE the current administration. And the republican answer was … John McCain? Gimme a break.

    I can’t blame them for flocking away from the party, to vote for someone, ANYone, who could voice things differently, move us in a new direction. I don’t think socialism’s the right direction, I don’t think bigger, better, baby-sitting government is the right answer, I don’t think John McCain was the answer. But I don’t think president-elect Obama is the answer either. I’m sort of with Bryce — had I more courage and not been afraid of sub-dividing the badly needed vote (which is a piss-poor reason not to vote my conscience) — I would have voted for someone else.

  6. I think a lot of people voted for McCain, not out of support for him, but as a vote against Obama.

    I read Darrell’s comments, and I think he’s off the mark on a lot of things. For instance, there’s too much evidence that the Fannie/Freddie meltdown was caused by Democrats, NOT Republicans, as he maintained.

    As for other black candidates not being supported in the past, that is true, because they have been conservative blacks. (Except for Jesse Jackson who didn’t win in the primaries back in the 70’s) Liberal blacks get elected all the time – just look at the city council of Chicago. Conservative blacks aren’t considered blacks, but “Uncle Toms” so they don’t get the black vote. You should see some of the terrible comments on Bob Parks’ pages.

    What evidence of the financial crisis being caused by the Democrats do you have, babe? I wasn’t in a position to defend myself, but I figured you’d have something. I’d love to see some stats showing how Clinton’s administration left a surplus, and whether Reagan’s left a deficit (I read today it was the largest one in history, but that’s Wikipedia, and it’s not necessarily accurate or unbiased information).

    Does Bob Parks have evidence that the comments deriding him as an “Uncle Tom” are coming from other African-Americans? Or is he assuming? (It IS the Internet — no way to know one way or another I suppose.)

    I thought Darrell was off on a couple of things too — he mentions Obama’s inexperience positively but decries Sarah Palin for the same inexperience. But that’s not uncommon; he feels Obama is more what he wanted than McCain. No biggie to me about that. A lot of other people felt that way too. My biggest face slap was not being able to defend the statements I’d made — not in the journal entry itself, but in the subsequent comments. Elizabeth tried to help, but I’m woefully ignorant and beyond most help. Still, having some evidence to show his statements aren’t all accurate would be interesting. For myself, at least. I’m not interested in flaming Darrell. And for every stat we find in support of our arguments, those opposed to our ideals will be able to find one to support theirs, so maybe it’s a moot point.

    Long story short, he was right in what he said about my statements. The other stuff is difference of opinion, and I’m okay with that.

    Thanks for sounding off, though. 🙂 Love you.

  7. I read your friend, Darrell’s comment, and I responded to him. I am sorry, Batman, but although I respect his right to his opinion, he did not say anything that did not sound like the local newscast. He regurgitated the same old worn platitudes. Of course, I admit to being fed up. ::smiles::

    V is right. He was off…way off.

    Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank and their cronies would not allow regulation of Fannie and Freddie. It was a slush fund for the Dems and groups like Acorn. Then for Barney Frank to point fingers??? It made me ill.

    I will find the evidence for you. Heck…if you go to http://www.foxnews.com, I am sure there is plenty of articles to point you in the right direction.

    How sweet are you to defend me! (J/K). I know you’re defending your position, and I’m happy you do that.

    The thing that confuses me most about democratic/liberal rhetoric is their condemnation of the Reagan administration (what — 20 years ago now?) by saying that “trillions in surplus evaporated” during the Reagan years. If anyone can find statistics that show the Carter administration left trillions in a surplus behind, I’d be interested in seeing it. I know Slick Willy was supposed to have left a big one behind too, but the economic downturn of that time STARTED under HIS administration and culminated after 9/11. Is this incorrect? Again, not being a political pundit, I don’t know from politics. I don’t even follow the news very well. In fact, I have NO IDEA how to stay informed on this kind of crap.

    I think YOU should be Batman now. 😉

    You’re a doll, and I respect your knowledge and awareness as much as I respect his right to vote. All I hope is that my statements, uninformed and ignorant, haven’t cost me yet another friend. I’m down two this year already. 😦

  8. Elizabeth – Thanks hon. *hugs* Ironically, I’ve posted evidence on the meltdown on my political blog. I guess Darc must have missed those. *cough*

    Seriously though, I cut him slack on that. He doesn’t have much time as it is to play with the kids in the evenings, let alone time to read my political rants too.

    The things Darrell was saying – and as an Iraq veteran, he’s got my highest respect and admiration, and gratitude – were things that I’ve seen spewed as fact by the MSM. Palin never said she could see Russia from her house! That was from something an angry liberal blogger wrote in mockery of her, and the press saw it and ran with it, reporting it as fact. Just for one example. I think that was part of the problem with this election. You want vitriol? Check out this site! http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13610 “Media bias saved America!” The blogger is bashing the columnist who said that. Sadly, too many people took the MSM to be truthful, when they were anything but.

    While this isn’t directed to me, let me speak to it.

    Darrell served this country in Iraq, and he will receive only respect and honor in our household as long as I am the head of it. You’ve stated this already. Be they republican, democrat, socialist or communist, if they were that uniform and serve, we salute them. Period. Thanks for pointing that out first and foremost in your comment.

    And for the record, not only do I not have time to keep up with politics as much as you do, I don’t have the interest. Or at least I didn’t. Like I’ve said before, you espouse republicanism like you espouse Christianity. Meanwhile, I’m not sure I’m republican-bent anymore. I don’t know if I ever was. I have to check and see what other parties offer ideals in line with my beliefs and dedicate myself to those parties. But whenever I feel the need to do that, it’s very close to an election, and there is no time. Or something good comes on TV. Or I have to edit/write/revise/destroy my book. Or something.

    In addition, you do a lot of YouTube videos and things on your blog. I don’t know if those things can be considered credible sources of information, especially the Flash-movie type. A shot of Obama in a room, music playing, cut to a slide stating how something horrible just happened in that room … it’s something any teenager with a computer, Flash and Photoshop can do. The MSM offers people something deemed “credible” and “trustworthy” – and UNTIL and UNLESS the opposition can provide something of equal credibility and trustworthiness, the advantage lies with the MSM.

  9. How many of the videos I’ve posted have you actually watched?

    A couple. Why do you ask? Because the credibility factor of YouTube videos isn’t going to increase when someone puts together a more professional presentation. Any amateur film maker can post to YouTube. If it doesn’t get on TV, most people don’t think it’s legit. (But how seriously do they take those homemade commercials from local businesses?)

  10. I ask because a great deal of the vids I posted were from the RNC and the McCain campaign. Also I posted several news clips from places like Fox or CNN. Some were video of Obama that the media ignored. Some are homemade, sure, but I think their credibility can always be measured by looking up the information they mentioned.

    I think the media has lost a LOT of credibility, especially when many journalists have no problem saying that “saving America” is more important than reporting the truth. How come no one vetted Obama, but had no problem digging through Palin’s garbage? Four state agencies investigated “Joe the Plumber” simply because he asked Obama a question. No one investigated Obama. Had the media given equal treatment, they would have gained a lot more credibility. As it is now, it’s nothing but yellow journalism.

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